Agent Orange in Thailand

I am trying to locate anyone that worked as a Jet Engine Mechanic at Udorn RTAFB . I need photos of the test cell and trim pad. I was there from 1971-1972. I have discovered that Agent Orange was used around the perimeter during this time frame. I need to establish the proximaty of the perimeter to these facilities.

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I represent a Vietnam era veteran who was stationed in Thailand. He has many of the symptoms of agent orange exposure, but since he was in Thailand his benefits were denied. I'm looking for anyone with knowledge of Agent Orange use around NKP.
Thank you,
Paul Epstein

What symptoms is he having? I have some also including Ischemic Heart Disease. I've submitted a claim and am gathering data. I may be able to help, but I'm just starting.

Need anything helpful about AO exposure at NKP 69 70

To my knowledge, the VA is still denying claims for veterans who served on bases in Thailand. I have been diagnosed with Type II Diabetes, IHD (with bypass surgery), and prostate issues. My claim along with what I consider to be evidence in support of my claim in in the appeal status. I worked as an Env Sys Tech(Udorn RTAFB-70 thru 71)... it kept me on the trim pad and/or on the perimenter. I also performed foot patrol on the perimeter as a Security Police Augmentee. I have been waiting for an answer from VA for almost four(4) years. Time is winding down on VN Era vets. If anything new develops for us, please post it or send it directly. Right now... we have our hands tied by the VA's refusal to recognize all of us who served so diligently.

Good luck.

If you can find anyone who served with you, please contact them. You can find info on Udorn on many websites. You need to really search, and it takes time to look at all the websites. Get some help, and if you were a Security Police agumentee, there should be a record of that in your files. You can order a copy of your file from the St. Louis VA archives. Find any photos you may have, and take a close look at all of them. Digitize your negs, and enlarge the photos and take a close look at all of them for Agent Orange use.

I obtained a copy of my file from St Louis and there was no records of my security augmentee duty. Other sites report that you had to be TDY to augmentee for more than 89 days before they would create a record of your augmentee duty. Morning reports were not kept for 1970. The site has a rooster of augmentees and i am on that list and this is probably the strongest evidence i have for my direct exposure at the perimeter. I dont know how my name got on that list and the VSPA administrator/historian searched his paper files but could not find my name ...still a mystery as to how i got on that list.

I have the same problem with no records of my 30 day augmentee duty in 1971.

I also was and augmentee on security patrol but can't find any records or proof. I served from 1967 -1968.any info would be helpful

I was at in 631st combat support group from 1966-1967. I also have heart disease. they said they couldnt find any evidence that I was there. I have all my records from showing different. i am looking for maps of the base at that time. can any body help me.

I also was in Thailand 538th Engr Bn at Camp Samae San, Satthip, and 7th Maintain Bn in KORAT and after Almost 10 years of fooling around with VA I am going to use a lawyer. Something you might want to check out is the CHECO Report. It is a Declassified document that DAV turned me onto, Has info on AO in Thailand. It seems that anything that pertains to service in Thailand, including PCS orders sending me there has disappeared from my 201 file, not to mention other important info. It seems that I have been reading about others in the same boat. Seems a little fishy to me????????

Have you filed a claim and been turned down?, by all means get a lawyer. It will cost you 20% of what you are awarded but 80% of something is better than 100% of nothing. The VA is now paying claims for Thailand Vets who were exposed to Agent Orange in the course of there daily duties, you do not have to have been a security person, just be able to prove by your duties that you were exposed. ie B-52 ground crew, Crew Chief, any one of the associated shops that supported the B-52, KC- 135 and others, fuel, parts delivery, air crews, bus drivers etc etc. Also you must have a diagnosed disease to receive the presumption. Good Luck


Was turned for the 3rd time,was station at U-tapao 1967-68 all work on the flight line with OMS.Type 2 diabetes and all kinds of other crap

joseph ed miller


I am presently putting together my case for Korat RTAFB. I was there in 1975 as a Special Vehicle Mechanic working at the fire station on the flight line, but also spent time on the perimeter chasing broken down SP vehicles, at the POL on R9 Refuel trucks and even our maintenance shop was next to the fence.
II have been on line collecting what ever I can find as it sounds like you have. My wife was following up with Records Group in St. Louis just yesterday on the phone from my formal (in writing) request for my orders sending me to Korat. Someone promised her they would have them to me sometime next week. We will see on that one.....
I also found a friend that was stationed there for two tours one of which was while I was there. He will put down on the appropriate form that I was there with him and worked in the perimeter areas. Our NCO hootches were even along the perimeter fence! We were next to the SP hootches and there is an on line picture of theirs that I will include with my case.

Forgot to add what started this whole thing with me. I had prostate cancer, surgery, radiation and now follow on problems. Our local county VA representative suggested this action. I have already received some compensation for hearing loss from F4s, F111s and so on...

Udorn RTAFB, View record [ ID: 2705 ]
LAST-FIRST Simmons, Carl M.
Bases and Squadrons UD, 432nd SPS
Year(s) 1970-1971
K9 Name #
ID 2705
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Carl, I found your name on the augmentee list and pasted above. I hope this helps.

Hello. I read your comment on the site and I also worked in Env Sys as well and am having some of the same health issues. Bi-pass surgery x2 and waiting on a video hearing from the VA in Washington. If you hear anything before I do, please contact me. I will do the same for you.
Thanks, Rick


Have you had any luck proving agent orange/herbicides in Thailand? My husband was at several bases from 1968-1969

We were the first F-4E squadron to SEA from Eglin AFB. I have had many health problems and think it could be Agent Orange Related.

I also was there 72 and 73/74 have you had any luck?

I was stationed at Utapo air base from 1967 to 1968,working on the flight line as a food service cook,when ther was an alert
we were sent out on the base perimeter in the jungle for security with a flashlight and a whistle every other man had a radio we were 50 yards apart. If anyone was station there during that time please contact me as the VA is denying my claim for disability for my condition

I also was involved in the same alert. I must have been an "every other man" because I didn't have a radio. As I remember it was Sept 2, 1968. I am working with an attorney appealing a VA decision. What do you remember about the alert and being placed on the base perimeter? What is your email? Mine is

Patrick Jordan

I was stationed on U-tapaio 67/68, but left a few days before the alert. I was assigned to the A & E supply point. Which was on the flight line . My barracks was on the perimeter of the base over by the airmans club. This past week I received a 60% disability rating for Ischemic heart disease caused by agent orange. My medical records showed me going to sick call 3 times with chest pains and and going to sick call for dizziness. I hope this could help you with your claim. Let me know if I can help further

I was stationed in Utapao during 67/68 as well. My initial claim for two of the presumptive diseases has been denied because the VA claims that there was no proof that I worked on the perimeter. How did you convince them that you were exposed to a sprayed perimeter?

check out the Declassified checo report. Hope it helps

check out the Declassified checo report. Hope it helps

to answer your question, YES contact me by e mail

Msgt Mckinnon Ret, I also have problems with the VA proving exposure to AO at NKP Thailand 1969, Please forward any info you might, If I find anything at all helpful I will forward it to you

do you still need help?

I was stationed at NKP from 1971 to 1972. I was in the 6908 security squadron. The perimeter was often sprayed with agent orange. I have a lung disease called scarcoidosis. I have a 30% disability because 0of it. Scarcoidosis is on the agent orange watch list but not approved as of now. Any info I can give you to help let me know.

I was stationed at NamPhong about 60 miles from Udorn a Marine installation in 72-73, the perimator was sprayed with a orange/rust colored spray from a c-130 about 100 yds from our hut, as we watched. I need to know if this was agent orange as I have several of the health problems. I'M pretty sure it was orange, even if they don't admit to it.

I was at Nam Phong 72-73 with Special Forces training Cambodians. Our camp was directly adjacent to the Marine Airbase. I do remember some spraying. I was recently diagnosed with Ischemic Heart Disease after a heart attack. I have submitted a claim to the VA, but currently they are only looking at MP – Security types. We had none of those. We were not a regular Army Installation.

Looking for information on agent orange in Thailand.

Look on Youtube and search for Bob Hope Christmas special 1972-73. You will see your base on that segment of that special. Copy that segment and use it on your VA claim. The place you can tell was cleared using Agent Orange. I do not know where the base was located at, but if the base was in the South of Thailand, the rainfall and jungle was real heavy there.

I was at Nam Phong 72-73 with Special Forces training Cambodians. Our camp was directly adjacent to the Marine Airbase. I do remember some spraying. I was recently diagnosed with Ischemic Heart Disease after a heart attack. I have submitted a claim to the VA, but currently they are only looking at MP – Security types. We had none of those. We were not a regular Army Installation.

Looking for information on agent orange in Thailand.

You can find video of Nam Phong on Youtube. Search for Bob Hope Christmas show 1972 and 1973. There you will see about a 10 second clip of the base, and other shots. Get a copy of the segment of that show to use for your VA claim.

I have been noticing alot of us veterans with Ischemic Heart Disease after being exposed to agent orange and the VA deniese our claims. Maybe were going about it all wrong. Maybe we need to all join together and get someone like keller and keller and fill a class action law suit against the government for benefits. At the very least we would let them know we are not going to take it any more. We served proudly now they can serve us proudly and hold up their end of the bargain. I was at Korat 72-73.

Per May 2010 VA memo. VA only well approve claims for Hericides NOT , agent orange. You have had to work on or near the base perimeter to be approved. Your MOS career field number is really important proving you worked near the perimeter. Any pictures of you near the perimeter will help along with buddy letters. Look up Kurt Priessmam msgt on interent for more info on winning a claim.

I was station in Thailand for five month in late 64 and early 65 December 64 to mid January 65 I was at Korat and then sent to Don Muang for four months, I have also had prostate cancer and the doctors tell me I have a heart mumer > I have tried to get my records of the time spend in Thailand and for some strange reason they can not be located..... Would any one have any suggestion as how I might locate these records ?

I was station in Korat Thailand in 63-65 I was in the 207th Signal Co.
We would set up Microwave site though out Thailand.
On going to Thailand we had to stop off in Vienam for 3 hours and I had boots on the ground but I can't find my traveling records as to how I got there.
I have a claim in for Agent Orange exposure, Diabetes Type 2, and heart Problems.
I was denied at first and then appeal and waiting notification.
We had to do guard duty around the RTAB airforce base.

I also have PCS ORDERS MISSING for movement to Thailand. Orders that had the names of several guys that were getting off in Vietnam, but for some strange reason they mysteriously disappeared from my 201 file. We also had to get off the plane for about three hours so they could fix the navigation equipment. I told VA the name of the airline and the color of the aircraft but they wanted flight logs and Braniff Airlines went under in 1982 And after tracking Braniff and several calls to Texas, found out that they no longer have logs for 69 and 70. Stuck between a rock and a hard place. Looks like they are hoping we will all die off before they have to compensate us. Check out the Declassified CHECO REPORT, it might have something you can use.

While enroute to Thailand, the aircraft that I was on also stopped in Vietnam to off-load and on-load personnel and equipment. We were on the ground for several hours before proceeding to Bankok and then Udorn, Thailand, in June 1970. Cannot find copy of PCS orders. Would appreciate any information you have concerning carrier, final destination, date of stopover and location. Best I can remember, the aircraft landed at Saigon (maybe Tan Son Nhut). Any information will be helpful as I am getting information together for a VA claim.

I recently read a transcript of a VA Appeals Board Testimony decision that awarded a successful AO claim to a soldier stationed in Thailand that was based upon his landing at Tan Son Nhut inViet Nam and exiting the aircraft so that an oil leak could be repaired. He had no corroborating evidence, only several years of a good service record and the appeals board cited this as sufficient to corroborate his claim, taking his word that he touched the ground in Viet Nam for a "couple of hours."

I thought that I had successfully saved the .pdf of the decision but I screwed it up and now I am scouring the internet to find it again without success so far. Nevertheless, my recollection is that it was a legitimate transcript and a relatively recent AO disability claim appeal approval for diabetes II, peripheral neuropathy, etc.

Also, I found a Braniff International route map from 1969 into the 70s that shows their flights from CA stop in Saigon before proceeding to Bangkok. Route map can be found at

Anyone who knows more about the appeals board testimony and decision that I cited please reply or post.

My husband was there in 1967/68. What evidence do you have. He was stationed at Korat but was located away from the base. He was in and out of several bases picking up parts, supplies, water, etc. We are working on a claim at this time. He has type 2 diabetes, ischemic heart disease and prostrate cancer. He said they sprayed regularly along the perimeters and around their huts but nothing on paper states that. Was just wondering what all evidence you have. Our email:

I kind of had the same problem. If you were moving around on tdy orders. They are not part of your permenant military records.......the trick is to have a VA Rep or get hold of the us national accounting and finance center. They are in Indianapolis in. They have pay stubs and history going back to the civil war......e Mail or contact them to get the forms.....go to a VA. Services. They will do it for you. Jim laflin

I may have this very problem can you please give me as much information on getting the information on TDY issues as possible. Any help would be much appreciated.. e-mail is


I was tolded if you apply for entitlement, they will not issue records.per my service officer

Test Cell/ Trim pads were near the perimeters. Their are pictures of these on the web ,look under the many Udorn web sites on the net. see VA CP bulletin 2010 page 3 for what VA requires for a claim in Thailand . Use herbicides as a claim ,, as Agent Orange was NOT used in Thailand per VA. They will turn you down ,if you can not prove you worked near the perimeters or you claim AO. Do your homework before you apply for benefits. Check the USAF CHECO Thailand Report, and other reports on the Web. Good luck

Fellow Thailand Vets.
You must show how close you job or living area was near the parimeter of the base. If you can find any photos of your base from 40 plus years ago. Please study them, have the negs converted to digital and submit a copy with your VA claim. Also the Marine base in Thailand can be found on Youtube if you look at the 1972 or 1973 Bob Hope Christmas show. The Hope Show shows Nam Phong for about 10 seconds at the most. You can tell from the video that Agent Orange was used to clear the land at Nam Phong, it was just one large mud pit.
Good luck to all of you.
Bruce Kent
Utapao '72-'73

Hi, I am a widow of a AF vet, he was at U-tapao May 69 to May 70. He passed away after 2 heart attacks at 51yr of age less than 10 yr. after retiring, need help in proving agent Orange was sprayed. I have a pic of him shirtless, standing on truck near bomb dumps which was near the perimeter. I need help in finding out what was sprayed. Lois

where can you find maps of your base ,like don muang AFB

I too was at UT many times First TDY was a ferry in from Davis-Monthan,Tucson,AZ(Steve)Swapping out The DC130 "A" model with an "E", 1971, in 72 I was there for 89 days in 73 for 6Mos. in 74 for 6Mos. in 75 for 89 days just before the fall of Saigon. I feel everyone living, working and playing was exposed to some type of agent and you didn't have to be in the SPS to have been around it. At the age of 56 I had a Heart attack, Triple Bypass One Stent in 2007, 2009 Two Stents, 2011 Angoplasty yes I filed a claim and as stands I've been stone walled for lack of evidence, but I'm working harder to get what I need Thanks to groups like this!! I just relized the hooch area close to the perimeter and Flightline On the 135 side, we also traveled the perimeter road up to the hill top chow hall, I was working on the flight line but was released just before the Zapper attack! Yes we all need to stand together and but the V.A. on notice

My husband who was stationed @ U-Tapao from 12/70 - 6/71. He passed away from 2 of the cancers on list CLL & Non Hodgkins Lymphoma.
Am trying to figure out what exactly is perimeter of base?
How do you know where someone lived while on base?
What were the general paths walked on through base ?

I do have a bunch of his papers. He was a communications officer (Captain) working out of #27 on U-Tapao map.
He has flight records for the B-52 & C125 w/ names & SS#'s

Any help would be appreciated


RASMy post to you seems to have disappeared. My husband was at Utapao in 1973. he was also stationed at Udorn from 1968-1969 and during the attack on the base. He was then again stationed at Udorn in 1971-1972. He worked in air craft maintenance on the flight line near the perimeter of the base. He had been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes. Please feel free to contact us.


I too worked air craft maintenance 1973. If your husband worked on B_52s I may have known him. I was a fire control tech. (Tail Guns) Please feel free to contact.

Hi Nancy,

I to am researching information regarding the perimeter of U-Tapao. I have a friend that was there working as a aircraft mechanic on the flightline and other locations, so I am looking for information on how far the perimeter was from the flightline, as well as their barracks.

Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Nancy!


My dad was there during this time
Period. I will ask him tommorow about it and see if he can help provide any information. He was a munitions specialist and helped load bombs on planes. He was probably in the area effected too. His buddy was in the army in Vietnam and had prostate cancer. So I worry about my dad as well.

I was stationed at Udorn RTAFB in 1968-1969 as a jet engine mechanic. I had an 8 man crew that worked flight line, trim pad at the remote edge of the base. In 2004 I was discovered to have a grapefruit sized tumor in my left kidney and it was removed. In 2012 I was discovered to have prostate cancer and was advised to put in an agent orange claim by the VA Dr. I also was sent to Laos to repair a downed aircraft and have no information about agent orange on that base. I received notice that my claim was denied as I have no way of showing exposure. Any help or advice would be very helpful. I am 50% disabled at the present time due to a spinal fusion in 1970 after my return from Thailand and hearing loss.


RASMy husband was stationed at Udorn in 1968, 1969 and again 1973-1974. He was also at Tapao. He was in the Air Force and worked as an Air Craft Mechanic. He has been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes. He has also suffered some level of hearing loss related to his job. I don't know how much help can be offered but please feel free to email.


I think you contacted me before about your husband and his tour at Udorn. I have some info from the time he was there if you want it. Also I found out if you have a picture showing that your work was close to the parameter of the base (500 meters) that would help your claim. Get back with me if you want what I have.


RASmy husband was at Udorn from 04/1968 to 011/1968. And he was assigned again in 1971-72. He worked in air craft maintain on the flight line near the perimeter of the base. He has been diagnosed with Type 2 Diabetes. Please feel free to contact us.


Can you share which doctor said file AO claim?


My name is Peter, and I'm never going to grow up.

My name is Peter, and I'm never going to grow up.

I was at UBON from Dec 1972 to Dec 1973. I worked in the AGE minor maintenance department and also delivered bomb lifts to the Specter side of base. I have developed Multiple Myloma. If anyone has pictures of Ubon that might help me with proximity to perimeter I would be Grateful.

If you still need a map/base layout, please email me or post a reply. I have several photos showing this, but, IMHO, the Specter parking area was a significant distance from the perimeter, you may need more than that.

It's sad, but it seems that almost everyone there has developed either Ischemic Heart Disease or Cancer, or both.


My name is Peter, and I'm never going to grow up.

My name is Peter, and I'm never going to grow up.


Is this a map of U-Tapoa? My husband was in mun. maint. delivered bombs to the aircraft. was told by VA he was not, on/in/near perimeter. Also where was the Hutches they lived in? thanks for any help. Lois

Yes Peter if you could send a map or pictures they my be helpful. My email is thank you very much

if you have a map or can tell me where to find one let me know. e-mail me

I was TDY at Nam Phong working on the flight line and next to large jet fuel bladders. Everywhere I looked I saw orange/brown foliage. I also drove the bus that took Bob Hope, Red Fox, the gold diggers group and the rest of the show to the show area. I tried to file a claim with the VA hospital but was told that if I didn't have my TDY orders I couldn't file. Really? Who keeps those. I have contacted the only person I could find that was there with me and he didn't keep them either. Is there anyone that can tell me how to get a copy of them. I requested my records from that date but there is no mention of my TDY. My name I Michael Pickard and was at Nam Phong from Nov 72 - Feb 73. During that time I also was loaned out to Takli air base for 2 weeks to help load up equipment on C5 cargo planes. If you were at Nam Phong at that time either ASAF or part of the Marines stationed with us next to the jet fuel bladders and flight line please contact me.

Yea, I was there early in 73. One big defoliated Dust Bowl. Remember the F-4's mk-72s painted like eggs on Easter morning? Lived there about 3 months. KC-130 mechanic/flight crew. We must have been close to the perimeter because one night one of the wire guards shot up a flare and it came down on top of one of the fuel bladders right next to my Hooch.

I was stationed at Udorn 1970-1971. I was an Inertial Nav Repairman in the 432nd AMS. Worked on F-4s.
I have heart disease, prostate cancer. I wear a urostomy appliance. I want to tell you all something
and this is no BS. All initial Thailand claims except Security Policemen are DENIED. then---------
YOU MUST HIRE AN ATTORNEY IF YOU WANT TO WIN THE APPEAL. Don't believe anything else and good luck.

I am new this. I am finding so much info that I am confused. I was stationed at Don Muang from dec 66 to dec 67. I was Air Police for 2 months and transfered to Motor Pool. I never wanted to be in air police. My background was electronics. The data I have collected says Don Muang was sprayed as were the other bases I traveled to. Also Green Hill radar site. I have coronary heart disease and have had it for 5 years. I have four stints going to my heart. I think I have enough info, all I need is a map of the base which shows the location of the barracks in regards to the airport. We were located off site in the jungle. If anyones where I can get maps, let me know. Tanks and good to everyone.

Need help. It has been over 4 yrs since I filed my claim with the VA.
I have Ischemic heart disease. Been treated for prostate cancer and been diagnosed with pre-diabetes.
I served in the Air Force and was stationed at Eglin AFB (69-70) and Ubon RTAFB (70-71).
They have told me I have to prove that I went to the bomb dump and that I worked near the perimeter while stationed at Ubon.
Also no records have been sent by the DOD even though they supposedly requested them.
Any help or information would be appreciated.

Dear Sir, Have you ordered your military file? please let me know if you need direction.. ordering your military file would give you copies of your annual performance reviews... on those .. you should see some of your work duties.. and also you may want to try to obtain a map of the base.. so you can number areas of the base where you worked.. and then list what you did there..

I contacted the Air Force Research agency for a copy of base maps for Takhli where my Daddy was... this helped and i shared them with others... i will be happy to help you more.. Also, if you can recall anyone you were stationed with.. I have searched the free site entered in a name and searched and was successful for some Veterans in finding buddies.. Buddy statements are a great way to prove your work duties...and where you would have had to have performed them on the base.

susie -

Susie, proud daughter of a Veteran

My husband was stationed at Camp Samae San Sattahip Thailand 68-69 and died almost 3 years ago with Diabetes and many other illness but I am looking for anyone that might have been there when he was. As just about everyone else that was in Thailand of course my claim has been denied because he was an Equipment Storage Specialist and not Military Police. He had many of the diseases on the presumptive list but I am still being turned down and need a Buddy Statement. I have been doing a lot of research and all of you Vietnam Veterans have my utmost respect. I would greatly appreciate any help. Thanks


I was at camp Samae San from Aug. 69 until about Feb 70 when I was moved up to KORAT. My motor pool was right on the fence line and I worked on the fence line fences. (Welding) I have been turned down 3 times so far. Next step is a lawyer who specializes in VA benefits. Something you might want to check out is a declassified document called the CHECO Report, Don't know if it will help but it won't hurt to check it. Have to warn you tho, it is a very long report.

Looking for somebody that has a copy of PCS Orders from Oakland Army Base to Thailand around August 9th 1969 with names of guys that were getting off in Vietnam. They mysteriously disappeared from my 201 file

Fellow vets
I was stationed at you Udorn Thailand 1967 to 1968. During that time I was exposed to AO. I have a presumptive disease (Ashthemic heart disease for which I received a stent in my aorta in 2005) see:
Using data from this site and others to build a case applicable to my experience I was successful.

My statement included a number of things proving exposure:

My Barracks (HOOCH) number xx was on the perimeter less than 30 feet from the fence.
I work nights and was exposed to the herbicide which was sprayed on Fridays while I slept. We call them "foggy Fridays".
Every morning on workdays, usually at 2 AM, we drove the perimeter from our workplace to eat at the mess hall. There was no bus service at that time.
We were part of the augmentation team for the SPs. Each of us were assigned an M-16 which was placed at each exit of the hooch, for quick access.

I began the process of claim filing in 2012. I requested my records which came back with the cover letter saying they could not find my service records from Thailand. I proved my service with citations for medals I received and reviews by my commanding officers.

I submitted with the help of the PVA (I am a quadriplegic, nonservice connected), in June 2014.

I received my letter of compensation in September 2014, 100% retroactive to the filing date in 2012.

Don't let what you cannot do influence what you can do!

My father George Manchester was there at same time. F104 squadron, had heart attack 11 years later then another .. then testicle cancer.. by pass surgery then passed at 59.

I have Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia. I was at U-Tapao from 67 - 69, 70 - 72, 72 -73 (TDY). Trying to find where the tell cell & trim pads were located. I believe the test cell was near the perimeter of the base because it was a long ride to the test cell.

I'm trying to help my brother with his VA claim. Anyone have a map of Ubon air base in Thailand? I especially need the location of the aerial port detachment. I provided a letter of support ( I am a 20+ AF veteran with tours in Thailand and Vietnam) but they (the VA) want "factual" proof. Most of the SP augmenters were not recorded and often performed on a as needed basis. Ant help is appreciated. My e-mail is

What number in feet/ meters would the VA except as near the perimeter at UTapao? That is the question. I have the numbers for the distances, from the areas, where the maintenance personal worked and the North perimeter road. I will post the numbers. I will tell you how I came up with them. You can check my data. You can agree or not that is up to you.

We need a map. T1972 era map, that is online, shows only the west side of the runway. It does not show the bomber area on the east side, revetments J row, K row, L row, M row, where the bombers were parked.

There is a video, titled U-TAPAO AB VIETNAM taped in 1972, sold online. I bought one. The last minute shows a real good aerial view, of the eastside bomber area. It shows, the flight line, the bomb dump, the hill where we waited for a job, the spare parts supply building, the north perimeter road, ECT. When I say flight line I mean the bomber revetments.

Now where did I get the numbers?. You can go online and download a satellite map of Rayong UTapao, as it is today. By using the fact that the runway is 200 feet wide, as a scale you can, measure the distance from any point on the satellite map, to the north perimeter road. The perimeter road is the perimeter, as shown on the video. Using the equation
(measured distance from point to north road/measured with of run way)(200 ft.) =(answer in feet) To convert to meters multiply feet by .3048 to obtain meters.

What is the distance from the flight line (revetment) to north perimeter road, in meters? I studied the UTapao video for endpoints, that I wanted to measure the distance. I noted that the north end of the revetments were in an east west line, making it easy to use what is left of J1 and K1 to find the north side of K1, my south endpoint. I went online, to the Rayong UTapao map, centered the area I wanted to measure, expanded the scale, making the map as large as I could and still have both end points. I measured the distance between the endpoints, using my digital caliper I obtained 5.517 inches. I then moved over to the runway and measured the width. I obtained .716 inches.
(5.517inches / .716 inches)(200 ft.)
(7.705)(200 ft.)=1541 feet (.3048 meters/ft.) = 469.72 meters. The flight line (K1 revetment) is 469.72 meters from the north perimeter.
There is an army field manual that says that "AO will drift 500meters" Is 469.72 meters NEAR?

We drove the north perimeter road to get to the eastside bomber parking. We entered the north end of the flight line, revetment area, through a gate. How far this gate, north end of the flight line, from the perimeter road? I expander the map, for maximum size, and still have both end points. I measured the distance and obtain 4.165 inches. I moved over to the run way and measured the width. I obtained 1.406 inches. (4.165 inches /1.406 inches)(200 ft.) = (592.46 ft. )(.3048 meters/ foot.) = 180.58 meters. Is 180.58 meters NEAR?

There was an area referred to as the hill, as it was uphill from the flight line. There was a supply building, where we went to get spare parts for our aircraft. How far is it from the supply building to the north side of the north perimeter road. I measured and obtained .562 inches. I measured the run way width and obtained 1.405 inches.
(.562 inches /1.405 inches)(200 FT.) = (80 ft.)(.3048 meters/foot) = (24.384 meters). The supply building is 24.384 meters from the perimeter. Is 24.384 meters NEAR?

I worked Aircraft Avionics maintenance. I worked on the tail guns. Our shop was on the west side of the run way. They parked the bombers on the east side. We drove the north perimeter road to get to the east side revetments. If we finished our aircraft before , the shift was over. We did not go back to the west side. We went to the hill and waited under two carport style roofs, with tables under them. How close was this wait area, to the perimeter? I measured the distance and obtained .502 inches. I measured the width of the run way and obtained 1.405 inches.(.502 inches/ 1.405 inches) (200 ft.) = (71.87 ft.)(.3048 meters/ foot ) = (21.9 meters ). Is 21.9 meters NEAR?

As I said we drove the north perimeter road to get to the bomber side flight line or the hill. I along with SSGT. Steward drove the truck number 54. They drove on the left at UTapao which puts the driver 2 meters from the sprayed perimeter. Is 2 meters NEAR?
The perimeter is on the hill, during the rainy season, anything that has been sprayed on the hill will flow downhill to the bomber revetments. You are standing in it. Is 0 meters NEAR?

At this point please note, that as shown by both the video and satellite map, that the north perimeter road is not only adjacent to the bomb dump. It connects to the bomb dump. Is 0 meters NEAR?

One last point, I witnessed them, the Thais, spray the revetment area (J7) /flight line. The little white truck, doing the spraying, camee within 50 feet of me. The spray came within zero millimeters of me. Is .000 meters near?
When I talked with a lady bureaucrat from the VA, she basically called me a liar. she said that because there no civil engineer record of the spraying, that it never happened. She was very smug about it. However UTapao is a Royal Naval base, the Thai base commander, make a point of running his base. He in all probability ordered the spraying. There should be a record of the Americans paying him to do so.

It is my expressed opinion that, it has been the policy, of the VA, to stall until I die. They may succeed, as I am running out of time and the VA will do nothing to help me. John M Latimer at jml15555@

I have a friend was at Udorn rtafb in 67-68 and now has cancer. His doctor says it is more likely than not the exposure to agent orange is the cause. What he needs is someone who worked in the INS/FLR shop during some of that period that could write a statement that you worked on those systems, especially on the F-4C that were down the tarmac and close to the perimeter. That you did work close to a sprayed area and the perimeters were sprayed since the insurgent attach in 68.

I was at Udorn 66 - 67. I was wondering what type cancer your friend has. I've been diagnosed with brain cancer, but the doctors are not saying it was related to AO exposure....I'm just curious what type cancer your friend has. Brain cancer is not on the list....I'm just trying to figure out if anyone else who served might have the same. I do have Diabetes II, but so far they are denying my claim. I am appealing now. I'm looking for anyone with whom I can collaborate my exposure. Contact me at

My name is William Abed, my crew called me (Abe). 432nd Munitions Maintenance Squadron, I was 3rd man Weapons Mechanic at Udorn Thialand RTAFB in 1968-1969. I have been diagnosed with Multiple Myeloma Cancer. I have applied claim after claim and have been denied several times. I am now being told that I need to contact "Buddies"' " Get Pictures", "Maps" etc. to prove I served my country at this base or near the perimeter of the base. I NEED HELP! If there is Anyone please contact me at

I have had some medical problems come up and so far doesn't look like they are AO related, but I found this site/thread form a Facebook page and there is a LOT of info on FB about this and most of the groups are closed, which is good really. Here is a list that I can give all here to get started over there and gather more info:

Thailand Laos and Cambodia Veterans FB Group
Thailand Veterans Exposed
All Thailand, Laos, & Cambodia Signal Sites
7th RRFS Ramasun Station
UTapao alumni

When you get on there look at the top under the group picture for the tab that says "Files" and start reading, and reading and reading. Like the CHECO report had missing pages and they can also be found here so I hope this will help some and there a lot of great vets there to help.

I've been reading a lot of pleas for assistance made by Thailand vets wanting help with the VA. I'm a Udorn Veteran; I'm rated at 90% disabled for diabetes II, peripheral neuropathy, and other things. I spend a lot of my time helping other Thailand vets. OK, here's what you need to do.
1. obtain your APRs or EERs from your time in Thailand. They can be requested at free of charge. Your APRs will describe your job and where you performed it. They are an official military record and the VA has to accept them as proof of what you're claiming.
2. obtain your military medical records from the same place as item 1. Hopefully there will be a separation physical in your medical records. It's a great document. Claim everything that is in your records.
3. obtain your civilian medical records from all of your doctors.
4. obtain the services of a Veterans Service Officer (VSO) from one of the service organizations; DAV, VVA, VFW, American Legion, AmVets, etc. Government VSOs tend to ride for the brand, meaning they serve whoever is paying them, not the vets. There may be some good county or state, even VA VSOs, but it's a major crap shoot whether you'll get a good one or not. Do not try to obtain VA benefits without the help of a VSO. Lawyers may be needed at some point, but a good VSO is what you will need initially.
5. Join the Thailand Laos and Cambodia Veterans FB Group. They have copies of all the documents I'm going to list for you under the Files tab at the top of the Facebook page.
6 Print out these documents and give them to your VSO.
- Army Field Manual 3-3, defines the term "NEAR" in relation to distance of exposure from the perimeter as being 500 meters. Notice and mention that the VA has had this Field Manual for years if not decades, but never told us veterans about its existence until we mentioned it first. The copy you will download was on file at the Houston Regional VA.
- AF CHECO Report titled Base Defense in Thailand, states that all military installations in Thailand used herbicides to control vegetation on their perimeters and interior areas.
- VA C&P Bulletin dated May 2010, instructs VA claims evaluators to grant exposure benefits to all veterans who can prove they worked NEAR the perimeter of their installation. (The claims evaluators ignore this instruction, so be prepared to cram it down their throats!)
-BRUCETRAVELBoard.pdf, is an Adobe document of a PowerPoint Presentation that a friend and I used with the VA. It is specifically tailored for use by Udorn Veterans, but can be easily adapted to any base in Thailand. Among other things it explains how to use all of these documents in your claim/appeal.
-USMACTHAI Regulation 210-10, directs all Thailand military installations to control interior vegetation using herbicides.
-KoratRTAFBdata.pdf, a presentation specifically for Korat veterans, includes a map showing the perimeter and the 500-meter distance from the perimeter.
7. Search on the internet, or through your war chest for an aerial photo or map of your installation. Locate your work site on this map/photo. Submit with your claim.
There are a lot of other documents under that Files tab. Use whatever you want to use.
Tips, use the term herbicides instead of Agent Orange. Saying AO is an almost guaranteed three denials.
When first discussing the 500 meters distance from the perimeter, use the phrase "longer than 5 football fields laid end to end." That phrase creates a mind picture of the distance in the mind of the evaluator.

Be prepared for multiple denials, but don't quit, don't give up. That's what the bastards want you to do. You will receive some of the most ridiculous statements from the evaluators as their reasons for their denial.

So far, I know of no successful claims for living near the perimeter. My hooch was with 100 yards, others I've known have lived within 25 feet of the perimeter, but the VA apparently thinks that our living quarters were safe havens from the herbicides. They seem to think that we slept in an air-conditioned building with filtered air instead of a hooch with wire screen walls or a tent. You can put it in your claim, but don't expect a successful result based on that. If they do say yes you were exposed where you slept, let us all know ASAP along with your claim number.

That's all I can think of for now. If I remember more, I'll make another entry. Feel free to email me if you have questions/concerns. My email address is Welcome home and good luck with your claims.

I was stationed at U-Tapo with the 635 th Munitions Maintenance Squadron from June 14, 1969 to June 12, 1970 and worked in the bomb dump close to the perimeter. Because our squadron was so big we were told that some of us could pull two weeks of guard duty which happened to me. They gave me a M16 and stuck me on the outside perimeter for two weeks 12 on 12 off. They have recently denied my VA claim saying there is no record of me pulling such guard duty. My veterans service officer said I need buddies to come forward and first say that they can confirm this policy and maybe they did it too. Even better would be someone who was there that remembers you doing it, Good luck that is 45 plus years ago! I am searching for anyone who might be able to help and know for sure I would do the same for you. I used the CHEKO report as well but they denied me anyway. I know the bomb dump did not have much vegetation either and at times of the year the holding area for the Thia bomb trucks was terribly dusty. I would guess we were all exposed. Would like to hear from anyone at that time and thanks for taking time to read. I too had prostate surgery in 2005 with many issues

My father George Manchester served at Udorn in 1967. He developed heart disease first in 1978 while we were stationed at clark air field in phillipines (heart attack at 32) was put on TRL.. was reinstated in 79 and we were stationed at Nellis.. another heart attack in 81 and put on TRL.. this time for 5 years during which he developed Testicle cancer. was treated for it and also had by pass surgery ... was reinstated again and stationed at Hanscom air field. 2 years later was put on full retirement. He then passed away at the age of 59 in 2005. We have always questioned the connection between his illnesses and the exposure to agent orange. all of his sibling members are fine and his father just passed at 91. My dad is the man in the white shirt in middle of the udorn f104 squaron photo 1967. any help is welcomed. thanks, George Jr.

Did you ever get the pictures of the trim pads I was there in 68-69 and my claim was denied but I have an appeal in. I may be able to help you. Also I was sent to NKP to recover a battle danged F-4. The area we had to work in was covered with PSP and was next to a boarder fence. We also went to the runway to make sure the aircraft made it off. Both those areas were void of vegetation so I am sure they were treated areas.


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