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I just received this from an old Air America buddy, if you think this effects you, check it out.

VA Compensation & Pension Service Bulletin May 2010

After reviewing documents related to herbicide use in Vietnam and Thailand, C&P Service has determined that there was significant use of herbicides on the fenced in perimeters of military bases in Thailand intended to eliminate vegetation and ground cover for base security purposes. Evidence of this can be found in a declassified Vietnam era Department of Defense (DoD) document titled Project CHECO Southeast Asia Report: Base Defense in Thailand. Therefore, when herbicide related claims from Veterans with Thailand service are received, RO personnel should now evaluate the treatment and personnel records to determine whether the Veteran’s service activities involved duty on or near the perimeter of the military base where the Veteran was stationed.

DoD has provided information that commercial herbicides, rather than tactical herbicides, were used within the confines of Thailand bases to control weeds. These commercial herbicides have been, and continue to be, used on all military bases worldwide. They do not fall under the VA regulations governing exposure to tactical herbicides such as Agent Orange. However, there is some evidence that the herbicides used on the Thailand base perimeters may have been either tactical, procured from Vietnam, or a commercial variant of much greater strength and with characteristics of tactical herbicides. Therefore, C&P Service has determined that a special consideration of herbicide exposure on a facts found or direct basis should be extended to those Veterans whose duties placed them on or near the perimeters of Thailand military bases. This allows for presumptive service connection of the diseases associated with herbicide exposure.

The majority of troops in Thailand during the Vietnam era were stationed at the Royal Thai Air Force Bases of U-Tapao, Ubon, Nakhon Phanom, Udorn, Takhli, Korat, and Don Muang. If a US Air Force Veteran served on one of these air bases as a security policeman, security patrol dog handler, member of a security police squadron, or otherwise served near the air base perimeter, as shown by MOS (military occupational specialty), performance evaluations, or other credible evidence, then herbicide exposure should be acknowledged on a facts found or direct basis. However, this applies only during the Vietnam era, from February 28, 1961 to May 7, 1975.

Along with air bases, there were some small Army installations established in Thailand during this period, which may also have used perimeter herbicides in the same manner as the air bases. Therefore, if a US Army Veteran claims a disability based on herbicide exposure and the Veteran was a member of a military police (MP) unit or was assigned an MP MOS and states that his duty placed him at or near the base perimeter, then herbicide exposure on a facts found or direct basis should be acknowledged for this Veteran. The difference in approach for US Army Veterans is based on the fact that some MPs had criminal investigation duties rather than base security duties. Therefore, the Veteran’s lay statement is required to establish security duty on the base perimeter. This also applies to US Army personnel who served on air bases in Thailand. During the early years of the war in Vietnam, before Air Force security units were fully established on air bases in Thailand, US Army personnel may have provided perimeter security. In such cases, if the Veteran provides a lay statement that he was involved with perimeter security duty and there is additional credible evidence supporting this statement, then herbicide exposure on a facts found or direct basis can be acknowledged for this Veteran.
Evaluation and adjudication of the cases described above can now be conducted by RO personnel without input from the C&P Service Agent Orange Mailbox.

These instructions replace those provided in the August 2009 C&P service Bulletin. In summary, no herbicide related claim from a Thailand Veteran should be sent to the C&P Service Agent Orange Mailbox. If evidence shows that the Veteran performed duties along the military base perimeter, ROs should acknowledge herbicide exposure on a facts found or direct basis. If the available evidence does not show service along the base perimeter and does not otherwise indicate exposure to tactical herbicides, place the memorandum for the record from M21-1MR IV.ii.2.C.10.q in the claims file and send a request for information to JSRRC.

agent orange in thialand

I was stationed at Nam Phong in 72-73, I watched as they sprayed a orange/rust colored spray on our perimerter about june or july of 72. I also have several of the problems associated with orange. Nam Phong was a Marine base about 60 miles from udorn air base. Our huches were only about a hundred yards from where they sprayed it and it fogged over us as we watched it being sprayed.

Agent Orange Nam Phong

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Agent Orange Nam Phong

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Agent Orange Nam Phong

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Agent Orange

I was stationed at Camp Samae San in 69-70. There was always something being sprayed around us. Our hootches were "fogged" on a regular basis. I have no idea what was in the fog, but would like to know. I would also like to know if anyone from Camp Samae San has filed for disability from agent orange. I was also in and out of Vayama and Utapao all the time hauling supplies in a duce and half. I can't (yes, I can )believe that the VA wants to limit claims to MP's.

Agent Orange

In answer to dlwheat, what was sprayed (fogged) at Samae San was probably a mixture of malathion and diesel fuel to kill misquitoes. I was in Thailand from Nov 1967 to Nov 1969 first at Camp Friendship, Korat and than at Samae San from Jan 1969. I remember the fog being so heavy that you could not see from one side of the barracks to the other. I filed for disability in Jan 2005 but was turned down in July 2005. I have peripheral neuropathy, but not diabetes. We did not claim Agent Orange, just herbicide/pesticide exposure, but were still turned down because at the time they were not admitting Agent Orange exposure and also because they were not accepting PN, even for in country vets. I also was at Utapao every week day and off post every evening.

Korat

I was assigned to the 379th Signal Bn as a supply clerk. I saw the spraying of the camp and also provided security on the perimeter during alerts. What was the itinerary of your flight over.

Agent Orange use at Camp Vayama, Camp Samae San Thailand

I was stationed at Camp Vayama in 1968-1969. We supplied ordiance to the Air Force at Utapao. Camp Vayama was a very small Army base near Sattahip. I remember GI's spraying the around the perimeter on several occasions. Never thought anything about it at that time. I am not sure I even knew what agent orange was at that time. I have one of the presumptive diseases (ischemic heart disease) caused by agent orange and totally disabled. After the DOD acknowledged AO usage in Thailand, I filed for VA benefits. Unfortunaltely, I was not an MP. Therefore, VA said I need to prove my exposure. Does anyone know if agent orange was used at Camp Vayama, Camp Samae San or Utapao AFB. Does anyone remember seeing any of these areas being sprayed.

Thanks for you help

Phillip Gable
1pgable [at] gmail [dot] com

Update

I am extremely fortunate. I received a 60% award in late 2011. In the evidentiary letter included in my award, it stated to get 100% I must have one of three conditions listed. My medical records clearly indicated I had one. I appealed and received 100% in August 2012. In my application, I included a map of Camp Vayama which was very small. I indicated I lived on the perimeter, worked on the perimeter and traveled to the motor pool daily which was on the perimeter. I pointed out the locations of my hooch, my duty station and the motor pool on the map. I also included a letter from a guy I served with stating he saw spraying activities frequently. I also noted my daily travels to Utapao AFB and Camp Samae San with was under construction at that time. I do not believe I mentioned Agent Orange in my application but I did refer to use of herbicides. I did however complete the AO questionnaire for the VA. I was never denied. It took an appeal to get 100%. I hope this will serve as an encouragement to my fellow veterans to pursue your benefits.

Camp Vayama AO

Hello, My name is Daniel Whipps and served at Camp Vayama with the 53rd Trans Co from Nov 1969 to Nov 1970. I have the same condition with my heart in 1989 at the age of 38. I have had blisters break out on my body most all of my life and now have been diagnosed with Parkinson's. I have been in search of a map of Camp Vayama to show where I worked and lived. I lived in the hootch next to the perimeter with a small dirt road between my hootch and the water tower that was on the perimeter and was the dispatcher and worked in the motor pool office that was next to the perimeter line. Can you please help me with a copy of the camp layout?? I want to submit my claim with as much documents as I can. I am going to the USARSUPTHAI/519th reunion at the end of June looking for help. They are having AO seminar I will be attending. There are a couple other people that will be there that were stationed at Camp Vayama and I am sure that map would help them also.....Thank you for your time........ Daniel Whipps

Agent Orange use at Korat AB and Camp Friendship in Thailand.

I served 37 months in the Korat Automatic Message Switching Center which was located in Jones Park on Camp Friendship. I was in Telecommunications Systems Technical Control and part of my duties was to burn classified documents in the outside incinerator which was located near the fence which separated Camp Friendship from Friendship Highway. I have been trying for year to get the VA to acknowledge that I was exposed to Agent Orange and that most of my illnesses are due to that exposure. I was initially denied but I am currently awaiting a decision on my appeal. My VFW Rep., who handles my case with the VA, first advised me that it would be this Fall that I would hear something but now it has been changed to sometime this Winter. The VA has, supposedly, a large number of claims that they are working on. I feel that this is nothing but a delaying tactic on the part of the VA to stall as long as they can in the hopes that most of us Vietnam Vets who served in Thailand die off and reduce the amount of money they will have to spend if we are granted approval. I know that I stood a chance of losing my life in the military but I expected that my life would be threatened by enemies of the United States and NOT the government that I served. If anyone knows of any VA approvals given to any serviceman who served in the Autodin please let me know a mitchell_carl [at] hotmail [dot] com

Agent orange

I saw and have black and white pictures of the barrels ,such Bullshit I worked on the perimiter in a switching center and worked part time as a phone tech we were all exposed to that crap ,You have got to be kidding just the F___en APs what a joke this country is so F___ed up they want to send us into all kinds of shit and not pay for it just bail out the fat cats,hardly any of them served .Yours truly and still pissed off ed benner

pics

I would sure like to see your b/w pics to see if it would help me
Jlaflin1 [at] Cincinati [dot] com

Korat 1973

Welcome home brother! Were you stationed in Korat around 1973?
Rick

PTSD

MAN!!I just read my own msg ,must not have been taking my meds that day LOL.I have pictures of something over in Korat Worked in the Switching Center and at the College EYE location can't say where for all I know It might still be TS. I lived right next to the fence on the parimeter.The hooch girls washed our cloathing on a cement slab next to the fence where no weeds or anything would grow,you tell me what would stop anything from growing on a jungle Plato how ever u spell it they sprayed something that screwed alot of us up .I have a gyy that I sent my pictures to about 2 years[ richard.fisher [at] sbcglobal [dot] net]he may still have them if anyone still gives a shit ,I gave up after an ex Jarhead at the VET told me absolutely no agent o was used in Thiland .We all know what experts ex jarheads can be,He and I did not hit it off to say the least ,another example of the Peter Principle.Enough for a friday.I'm going to go out and enjoy my wife of41 years and some of my family.hope this blurb will help somebody feel free to contact me at [ ebenner1 [at] netzero [dot] com]and welcome home brothers.

Oh yes and I have some kind

Oh yes and I have some kind of fungi crap all over my uper body it goes away for awhile but comes back every summer .I thought it was from spending time with the poos over there if so it was worth it ,but maby not our shower was next to the fence. I just lost a bud from South Dakota ,a Lakota from Pine Ridge he had all kinds of blood problems ,what a mess ,I just feel bad for the poor bastards serving now . Who can guess what they were exposed to and how long it will take for them to get results.God bless us all.sorry my dad moved here from Canada.

Agent Orange

See my reply to bob72

Agent Orange in Nam Phong, Thailand?

Been trying to find out if agent orange was used in Nam Phong. Nam Phong was in Northeastern Thailnd, very close to Udorn. No one seems to know if it was used in Nam Phong. Being in cryogenics we were way out on the perimeter away from everyone else due to the volatility of the LOX.

I have now came down with a blood disorder causing my platelets being way high and am begining to wonder if exposure to agent orange could be a possible cause.

Thanks and Semper Fidelis,

Robert L. Noe

I forgot to mention Nam Phong was a Marine Corps Air Base that used a 10,000 concrete runway built in the early 60's but not put into use until after we were withdrawn fron Bien Hoa and Da Nang.

To see a better description og Nam Phong click http://www.namphong.com/

Agent Orange

I was stationed at Nam Phong (Rose Garden) in 72-73 with task force delta (the security element)My MOS was 0331 I was given temporary orders to the first marine air wing.Even though it was indeed a Royal Thai Air Force Base,we ran it and supplied everything there.I have developed (3) of the conditions attributed to agent orange contamination.I have applied to the VA (in Philadelphia)for service connected disability.I was denied,because they said they(the VA) could not verify Agent Orange was used at Nam Phong.Naturally because it wasn't technicaly an American base !!!! daah !!!! THIS IS WHY IT ISN'T mentioned in the DOD document titled Project CHECO Southeast Asia Report.That seems to cause the problem.I have sent a letter of disagreement of their decision.I have color photo's of the base showing our hooches or accommodations and the surrounding area as well as flight line and planes.In all of these photos there is no vegetation !!! The USMC sprayed something every night.They never told us what it was.I am sure it was Agent Orange that was brought from Da Nang Vietnam.I hope this helps.If you wish to contact me,my e-mail is demerz@ embarqmail.com

nam phong

First, is Nom Phong on the list of Thailand bases the VA has approved. VA CP Bulletin 2010 p.3 does not list this base. Second, your military records at this base MUST show indeed your MOS machice gunner duty was on the perimeter and not somewhere else. do you have any photos of you near the perimeter, buddy letters also help. Third, Agent Orange per VA was NOT used in Thailand and if you use it instead of Herbicides for a claim,, you will be turn down. Also check the list of diseases VA has approved for Thailand. You must have work duty near the perimeter , not where you lived on base. Good Luck

nam phong

i have problems for 15 yrs with double vision head problems and more my emale is jastiles [at] frontier [dot] com

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